HypnoTalks - Questions & Answers - with Axel Hombach and Dr John Butler
HypnoTalks Questions & Answers with Axel Hombach and Dr John Butler is a new Podcast format meant to help practicing hypnotists, hypno-coaches and hypnotherapists in their daily practice with clients and patients.
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Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Okay. Now, that post hypnotic interview stage - and I'm assuming of course we've ended the session with good positive programming and we're going to count them out in the careful, appropriate manner, giving them lots of positive affirmations, affirmation suggestions and so on so that we minimize any residual hangover from negative experiences they've had, because even though they've processed it all, I mean it's a lot has been stirred up, Axel, sometimes and we want to put them into the most positive state they can achieve with positive looking forward to the future. So, good programming, a good programming for follow-up work that they may need, so they're looking forward to it with enthusiasm. Now, as you come towards the end before you count them out, we'll often ask them "Who do I remind you of?" It's a question from Gil Boyne that surprisingly hypnotherapist say "Why does he ask him that?" Well, of course it is to check out subconscious identifications. I n the old Freudian and pre Freudian literature they talked about projections and it is a form of projection that we're checking out. Are they projecting things onto us that are not healthy for the therapeutic process? They might project, well, you remind me of my uncle. And I will always say "What qualities do I share with your uncle?" "None," they will say, "Well, he was a strong character, he was a forceful character" All right. now let's assume for the moment, let's just imagine at least, that this chap, this uncle was somebody who'd abused them and yet they made that connection with us. Well, we don't have to, and subconscious will make many links, sometimes inappropriately. Anyway, we'll then ask them "In what way am I different? What qualities separate me from your uncle?". "Well, you're kind, you're understanding, and you would never do anything abusive like he did." From that we can be pretty happy that they're making at this stage a good separation which will get better as we go along. But if there was something hanging in there that was confused in their mind they were finding it difficult to separate both of us in their mind, we would need to look at that carefully. As you know in Freudianism it's transference, countertransference and counter- countertransference. And that whole process of separation and taking back projection can go on forever, or at least a long time in the therapy and actually create more problems than it helps because the client has been left too long, processing that with not enough interventions in the therapy. Where from a hypnotherapy point of view, to a great extent, apart from the positive connections they've made, we want to break the connection as soon as possible:
"I am NOT your uncle and get that out of your mind really, so you can go forward" and the therapy can go forward without that contamination. So that's one thing to check on. We also asked them what homework...
Okay. Now, that post hypnotic interview stage - and I'm assuming of course we've ended the session with good positive programming and we're going to count them out in the careful, appropriate manner, giving them lots of positive affirmations, affirmation suggestions and so on so that we minimize any residual hangover from negative experiences they've had, because even though they've processed it all, I mean it's a lot has been stirred up, Axel, sometimes and we want to put them into the most positive state they can achieve with positive looking forward to the future. So, good programming, a good programming for follow-up work that they may need, so they're looking forward to it with enthusiasm. Now, as you come towards the end before you count them out, we'll often ask them "Who do I remind you of?" It's a question from Gil Boyne that surprisingly hypnotherapist say "Why does he ask him that?" Well, of course it is to check out subconscious identifications. I n the old Freudian and pre Freudian literature they talked about projections and it is a form of projection that we're checking out. Are they projecting things onto us that are not healthy for the therapeutic process? They might project, well, you remind me of my uncle. And I will always say "What qualities do I share with your uncle?" "None," they will say, "Well, he was a strong character, he was a forceful character" All right. now let's assume for the moment, let's just imagine at least, that this chap, this uncle was somebody who'd abused them and yet they made that connection with us. Well, we don't have to, and subconscious will make many links, sometimes inappropriately. Anyway, we'll then ask them "In what way am I different? What qualities separate me from your uncle?". "Well, you're kind, you're understanding, and you would never do anything abusive like he did." From that we can be pretty happy that they're making at this stage a good separation which will get better as we go along. But if there was something hanging in there that was confused in their mind they were finding it difficult to separate both of us in their mind, we would need to look at that carefully. As you know in Freudianism it's transference, countertransference and counter- countertransference. And that whole process of separation and taking back projection can go on forever, or at least a long time in the therapy and actually create more problems than it helps because the client has been left too long, processing that with not enough interventions in the therapy. Where from a hypnotherapy point of view, to a great extent, apart from the positive connections they've made, we want to break the connection as soon as possible:
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Absolutely. From that there's education, not only the separation. Breaking the connection. The client owning, taking back the projection. But positive things. I mean, there were positive things in the father with Gil. You see he was linking those because I think in Bud's mind the father was very capable and he was also quite forceful. And Gil had those qualities. So Bud says, well, here's another person who's like that. But of course the father had negative effects on Bud which we don't want to be associated with Gil. So Gil, as you say, used it very skillfully. the people have a lot of homework, usually things like for example:
Now that I see my father more clearly and a lot of what he did to me, he felt was for my good. He was pushy, he was critical, he wanted me to get on in the world, to take advantage of opportunities, maybe he never had. Yet, so I know that he was misguided when he bullied me, mistreated me, so, I can begin to forgive him. On the other hand, well, sometimes he was negative and critical for no good reason other than his own anger and, you know, hostility to himself and other people. Okay, well, I can begin to forgive him. But I'm gonna now take in all those positives that I now see he felt towards me. I begin to feel his love. I get out of being a bottomless pit. I begin to redevelop the relation with the parents, maybe be living or dead. There may be several aspects to that by the way, that are important. We often do Gestalt Prayers, as it's called, you know which goes on to this, you know, at the end of the day I am I and you are you.
Absolutely. From that there's education, not only the separation. Breaking the connection. The client owning, taking back the projection. But positive things. I mean, there were positive things in the father with Gil. You see he was linking those because I think in Bud's mind the father was very capable and he was also quite forceful. And Gil had those qualities. So Bud says, well, here's another person who's like that. But of course the father had negative effects on Bud which we don't want to be associated with Gil. So Gil, as you say, used it very skillfully. the people have a lot of homework, usually things like for example:
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Oh yes, yes! You can give them some prompting. I say: Yes! Very much so. It's a good word to use. We like it because for the client it means "okay, there's things I can do for myself, there's things that are beneficial. This therapist is interested in me, he or she's thinking about things that I could do that'll be helpful, so I'm grateful for that" as in another part of the mind they don't like it totally it says "Oh god, it's like school, homework, I hate homework, I do not want to have homework. I just want to wait for everything to change by itself". No, so they are in sometimes in mixed minds. But I've often said at the very beginning of this, well, the clients, and we say it in our training, in hypnotherapy - compared to most forms of talk therapy, standard psychotherapy - there's a lot more homework. And that's very empowering. There are things you're doing. You're seeing the benefits, feeling the benefits of it. You're playing your recording all the time. You read certain books. We give them books to read, recommend them get certain books which relate to the problems they've been having. That's called bibliotherapy. And we teach them that life is therapy. To go out and connect with life in a much more vibrant, fuller way. So, that commitment to life, participation in life, living life to the full, it's very much a part of what hypnotherapy empowers people to do. So, that's what you're doing as you're concluding the session: ... and another part of their mind though likes the fact that they're in the process, you're gonna check up when they come back to next time and it won't be sort of a talk therapy question like "how has your week been?" You know, it's nothing like that. We say: Yeah, I like to tell them: Okay. Well, to put in quick context, you've done the regression, you've uncovered, you've reeducated the subconscious, reprogrammed it, added in all that new perspectives, you brought in integration. That's where they're at. Now you want to finish up this session, clearing up and subconscious identifications that are not healthy. You want to get them to make commitments for their therapy based on what's been uncovered. That's their own process becoming their own therapist. You're giving them the good new suggestions which the mind would not have been able to accept before. Okay, you're then doing your final stage of bringing them out of trance. Again, with good, positive suggestions, but really looking forward to their progress and even to another session, which they may need with you. And then you are telling them, when they're out of the trance:
HypnoTalks Questions & Answers with Axel Hombach and Dr John Butler is a new Podcast format meant to help practicing hypnotists, hypno-coaches and hypnotherapists in their daily practice with clients and patients. In this PodCast format, we answer questions practicing hypnotists encounter in their daily works. We take question from our Facebook Group on Transforming Therapy™ and discuss it. Our aim is to let you participate in the vast knowledge that John Butler has built in his nearly 40 year career as a clinical and medical hypnotherapist. You ask the question, we give you the answer that you can directly use in your daily practice. Submit your question here: mailto:info@noj-coaching.de Dr John Butler has been a practicing clinical and medical hypnotherapist for nearly 40 years. He is an active medical researcher, neurologist, university teacher, psychologist and licensed psychotherapist. Dr John Butler is also the head of the HTI, the Hypnotherapy Training International, the leading school of hypnotherapy, especially the Transforming Therapy™ hypnosis approach. Transforming Therapy is the seminal and holistic approach to the application of hypnosis that the legendary Gil Boyne started to develop already in the 1960. Axel Hombach is the head and principal hypnotist of "Hypnose und Coaching Axel Hombach". He studied with Dr John Butler many years ago and works with him to pass on the knowledge countless generations of pioneers like Gil Boyne and Dave Elman have given us and help to develop the potential of the human mind. Many of the episodes have transcriptions and even translations into German.
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Dr John Butler
Oh yes, yes! You can give them some prompting. I say:
"Well, are you prepared to now take time out of your work life because you're working yourself to the bone, yeah, to death here practically? Are you prepared to give time for your own hobbies, special interests, spend time for your relationships, which are suffering?" or "Do you play your favorite music?" Or, as I've often said to people, or some form of artistic enjoyment, creativity they need to do for themselves, to reverse the negative way they treat themselves. So, we can make suggestions, give some guidance there. Preferably things come from them and we check out the commitment, when we suggest to them aloud "Does this make sense? how about from now on you're going to take time for a round of golf, or playing your favorite music every day, is that agreeable to you now, are you committing to that, so that we next week we can check up on how you're doing." Because you're getting commitment. Now, if their body language, if their nonverbal expression, shows a bit of lack of commitment, than you push on to that and say: "All right. Now, let's look at how you're inhibiting your response here, how you're holding yourself back from taking power and responsibility, making change happen for yourself." And sometimes it's more minor. It's not that they really are determined to avoid change and stay in their secondary gains, which can be very self-destructive ones. Maybe they just need a little bit of assistance, encouragement, a few more suggestions about confidence to go out on the date. Or, say, be assertive with their boss or wife or husband. So, this is part of setting homework. Getting commitment.Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Yes! Very much so. It's a good word to use. We like it because for the client it means "okay, there's things I can do for myself, there's things that are beneficial. This therapist is interested in me, he or she's thinking about things that I could do that'll be helpful, so I'm grateful for that" as in another part of the mind they don't like it totally it says "Oh god, it's like school, homework, I hate homework, I do not want to have homework. I just want to wait for everything to change by itself". No, so they are in sometimes in mixed minds. But I've often said at the very beginning of this, well, the clients, and we say it in our training, in hypnotherapy - compared to most forms of talk therapy, standard psychotherapy - there's a lot more homework. And that's very empowering. There are things you're doing. You're seeing the benefits, feeling the benefits of it. You're playing your recording all the time. You read certain books. We give them books to read, recommend them get certain books which relate to the problems they've been having. That's called bibliotherapy. And we teach them that life is therapy. To go out and connect with life in a much more vibrant, fuller way. So, that commitment to life, participation in life, living life to the full, it's very much a part of what hypnotherapy empowers people to do. So, that's what you're doing as you're concluding the session:
Really getting the commitment for that kind of work, clarifying any last questions or confusion might be in their mind. Check it out: "Is that clear to you now? Are you okay with that? Are you ready to make that commitment?" And so on. And make sure you get yes yes yes. Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
... and another part of their mind though likes the fact that they're in the process, you're gonna check up when they come back to next time and it won't be sort of a talk therapy question like "how has your week been?" You know, it's nothing like that. We say:
"How can I help you today?" meaning, from last week, what was happening it and is there a new goal or do you want more help with what you came up with, the first goal you came up with here, and then you're into how are you getting on with your recording and you're checking up, Axel, on all the homework you gave them.Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Yeah, I like to tell them:
"Ah, you've met the Beast".Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Okay. Well, to put in quick context, you've done the regression, you've uncovered, you've reeducated the subconscious, reprogrammed it, added in all that new perspectives, you brought in integration. That's where they're at. Now you want to finish up this session, clearing up and subconscious identifications that are not healthy. You want to get them to make commitments for their therapy based on what's been uncovered. That's their own process becoming their own therapist. You're giving them the good new suggestions which the mind would not have been able to accept before. Okay, you're then doing your final stage of bringing them out of trance. Again, with good, positive suggestions, but really looking forward to their progress and even to another session, which they may need with you. And then you are telling them, when they're out of the trance:
"Tell me all that you learn from that" And this is helping them, again, reflect consciously. Again, another kind of integration going on there. Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
Axel Hombach
Dr John Butler
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